Curse

myerscr · Jun 20, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I was trying out a new build designed for solo queen farming last night and came upon an interesting game mechanic. My method of damage was almost exclusively degen caused by multiple conditions. I also used a running skill to escape the scarabs that would pursue after an attack. This typically left me well away from my original target when it died of condition degen. With this method I was able to clear out the Kephket mob except for Kephket and one other nest builder scarab (the build needs a little tweaking in order to finish the queen). While this was a good challenge and it's fun tweaking new builds, I was really let down with the lack of drops. Clearing out most of Kephket's mob netted a grand total of two drops of gold (~170g total) and two blue items! While I enjoyed the challenge, spending an hour or so for a reward of about ~300g was a real let down... Was the lack of drops because the deaths were a primary result of degen or because it died while I was half a radar screen away? I tried experimenting a little, but still recieved almost no drops. I was solo, so there were no other people or henchies to share the drops with... Does anyone have any ideas why there were so few drops? If you're interested the build was a R/N centered around poison arrow, rotting flesh, barbed and flame trap. Thanks in advance for any responses.

EDIT #3- After feedback it appears that as a general rule of thumb, without a party member being within a certain distance of a foe when it dies the foe will not give a drop. From player tests, this range seems to be something greater than longbow range resulting in no drop being assigned. Another good theory is that unless a foe is targetting a party member when it dies, it will not give a drop. An example of this can be seen when two groups of monsters are fighting eachother and dying but no drops are assigned (even if you are quite close). The lack of drops as a result of using degen seems to be less and less likely from feedback. Just to clear up any misinformation, I've been assured by numerous people in the know that just being a support player not dealing direct damage will *not* cause their drop rates to be negatively affected.

AnnaCloud9 · Jun 20, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

No, this has no bearing on drops. The only thing confirmed to have an effect on drop rates is the frequency you enter the zone without rezoning and doing some other killing, and the amount of henchmen/PCs you have in your party.

dargon · Jun 20, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

One other thing that has an effect is how close you are when the mob dies. If you've run 1/2 way across the map when your target dies, odds are it's not gonna leave you a gift.

LifeInfusion · Jun 20, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Erm, how would it (the way you kill things) lead to a lack of drops?

If anything I think it has to do the frequency the drops are where you are going. If you frequently visit a place notorious for botters, such as Elona's Reach, to farm then you might suffer from the decreased drop rate.

noblepaladin · Jun 20, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by dargon

One other thing that has an effect is how close you are when the mob dies. If you've run 1/2 way across the map when your target dies, odds are it's not gonna leave you a gift.

More precisely, just to make sure nobody gets confused, it is whether you are in range or not. If you are in range, you will get drops, if you are out of range, you won't. The warrior doesn't get more drops than the ranger with a longbow.

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

CONFIRMED: Your Guildmate is righ that your method is lower drops.

Not because degen cuases it to not drop anything, but because how close you are to the enemy effects it.

You have to atleast longbow range or less (my own testings) away from them for them to drop anything, thats why you didn't reap too much of a reward, because alot of the time you admited to being some distance from the enemy.

This was important to me specifically to test, because I farmed Totem Axes that first day by the Ranger Longbow+Poisoning effect, and If I pulled back from the behemoth before it degened to death (like to avoid wind rider group that was around him) they didn't drop anything.

eternal pho · Jun 21, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I think theres a range for how far you have to be to get your drops.

myerscr · Jun 21, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Hmmm...so distance to target foe (greater than longbow range) when it dies can cause you to lose drops...thanks everyone for your replies. Looks like I may have found a fairly effective build/strategy, but not a profitable one! lol

ArTy · Jun 21, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Just like how if an enemy gets killed by your degen AFTER you have died, it doesn't drop anything. So no one around = no drop

sinican · Jun 21, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

I have been in several pugs in missions that we split the group in 2 for attacking at 2 places simultaniouse and i was getting drops from the kills of other players...

however that isn't to say that you will only get drops if someone in your party is in range of the dead

it still could be completely true that if no one is in the area when someothing dies no one will get a drop and that if at least someone is than anyone in the group can get a drop whether or not they are themselves in range of the dead

Vermilion Okeanos · Jun 21, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

I had been trying to solo farm Cantha green awhile ago using degen (e/me), it resulted easy killing but no drop. Hence, I stopped using the degen method. (It wasn't out of range, the mob was killed right by me, etc) I think it is possible that if you didn't degen the mob from full health (some other monster attacked it, etc), it would be counted as you didn't do any damage to the target, which means the monster drop do not belong to you.

I may try it again just to confirm it.

lishi · Jun 21, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

i was thinking when the ghost dies for degen caused by tained fresh you dont get morale boost , maybe the mobs suffer the same probrem?

art_ · Jun 21, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by myerscr

Hmmm...so distance to target foe (greater than longbow range) when it dies can cause you to lose drops...thanks everyone for your replies. Looks like I may have found a fairly effective build/strategy, but not a profitable one! lol

Hmm thats why bonders get no drops =O

Beraton · Jun 21, 2006, 09:40 AM // 09:40

No, it's not longbow distance. I don't think it's even minimap distance. I've had a few times at thunderhead keep and while I've been manning one catapult, I've been getting drops from enemies just outside the *other* gates.

Nivryx · Jun 21, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

for the relevancy, ive been solo farming rajazan's fervor for abour 40 runs and only 1 drop. i use poison and bleeding. then again, i think it just has a low droprate.

Quote:

Hmmm...so distance to target foe (greater than longbow range) when it dies can cause you to lose drops...thanks everyone for your replies. Looks like I may have found a fairly effective

not to be mistaken though, if you've ever been ice imp farming you still get lots of drops, its when its greater than longbow distance that you may have a problem.

Viruzzz · Jun 21, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

if a monster dies while not fighting you it wont drop anything, so if you degen them and run away, then no, you wont get any drops.
but it has nothing to do with the degen, it could be any delayed damage, all that matters is fi they are getting killed while ifghting your or not

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 21, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

In my own experience, as a support or sometimes degen player, I get very few drops. Whenever I go out with my roommate, she always fills up her inventory with drops before I've even gotten 3-4. I think it is directly effected by how much direct damage you do. Thus, the player that is sitting there healing their bums off, or throwing degen spells into the mix, or anything not directly damaging the mob, has a less chance of getting a drop. (Just my own experience speaking).

Ninna · Jun 21, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

drops to players have *nothing* to do with direct damage

I have 2 GW accounts that I sometimes play at the same time

Ive taken my level 20 to do missionOne in Prophecies alongside my other level 6 character

my level 6 character does NOTHING (beyond being in minimap range)

both characters get drops

LifeInfusion · Jun 21, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

I call BS.

Why? That would mean only Ele's and Warriors get most of the drops because they are the only ones that must "do direct damage".

Ninna · Jun 21, 2006, 02:10 PM // 14:10

assuming that someone in your party did the kill

you dont have to do any damage to get a drop
- but you do need to be in minimap range when the critter dies

(anyone whos able to play 2+ accounts at same time can see for themselves)